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There's only 1 thing wrong with that article: a completely incorrect
set of assumptions.<br>
<br>
The stuff about time to implement is reasonable but all the rest is
wrong.<br>
<br>
Replace "car" by "bank customer", replace "manufacturer" by "bank"
and think about it.<br>
<br>
Banks have been connecting to each other and to their customers over
a single network (the Internet) using a standardised set of
protocols (HTTPS, SSL/TLS etc.) for years and it all works well.<br>
<br>
Can you imagine the hideous mess if each bank built its own network
with its own protocols?<br>
To say nothing of how difficult fixing problems would be?<br>
Banks would just do what companies always do when there is a problem
and deny it to avoid liability.<br>
<br>
If we have common protocols, we have common fixes for problems,
available to everyone.<br>
We also have many sets of eyes looking at the same set of protocols
and their implementations.<br>
<br>
Another thing to consider...<br>
Given how much networking and other code is off-the-shelf these
days,<br>
the idea that a proprietary network is somehow less susceptible to
common security issues is, to a large extent, bogus.<br>
<br>
Manufacturers don't want open data for many reasons. Here are a
few.<br>
<ol>
<li>Customer lock-in.</li>
<li>Profitability.<br>
</li>
<li>It will initially create more work for them,<br>
although, like the banks, it will be easier in the end because
they won't have to maintain their own networking code,<br>
but I doubt they see that far ahead.<br>
</li>
<li>Deniability:<br>
if we don't know what's going on in their networks, they can
blame faults on driver error or 3rd party repairs even when they
know it's not (see below).<br>
</li>
<li>It will, ultimately, give 3rd parties access to data like
failure rates, which will inform consumer groups and others
exactly how (un)reliable their vehicles are and in what ways.<br>
</li>
<li>Given previous experience, they don't have a shining record in
IT security:<br>
if you got the tiniest glimpse into how shoddy and badly
implemented their private networks are and how bad their IT
security is,<br>
you might decide that you'd rather crawl naked over broken glass
scattered on a minefield than travel in their vehicles.<br>
</li>
</ol>
If you see those FUD ads about open data and really think that motor
vehicle manufacturers have your best interests at heart,<br>
look at how many times they have denied that genuine safety problems
existed and blamed driver error until they were forced to do a
recall because the evidence was undeniable.<br>
<br>
Just like with right to repair in general, one of the reasons that
manufacturers don't want us seeing the insides of their stuff is
because then we could all see how truly awful some of it is.<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> 16/10/2020 14:57, JoAnne Yates wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You
just about convinced me until I read this piece by Hiawatha
Bray (a good tech columnist) in the Globe this morning:
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/12/business/whats-tech-behind-question-1/?et_rid=970972583&s_campaign=wklystoriesmissed:email</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Nathan Proctor <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nproctor@pirg.org"><nproctor@pirg.org></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 16, 2020 9:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> JoAnne Yates <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jyates@mit.edu"><jyates@mit.edu></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:themaintainers@lists.stevens.edu">themaintainers@lists.stevens.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Themaintainers] Themaintainers Digest,
Vol 56, Issue 1 right to repair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suggest voting yes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think it's fair to call this a
"right to repair" issue, it's more about data. I would
much prefer if it just totally handed data control to the
owner, including the ability to turn it off. But creating
what amounts to an open platform for data access (limited
to maintenance data), with access controlled by the car
owner, offers some utility (an app that can tell you if
you need washer fluid, etc), and the security risk is not
that significant (most of the extreme security problems
they reference in those horrible ads are the problems that
ALREADY exist, and are not impacted by access for third
parties to your washer fluid levels). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So I see this as a slight pro for the
consumer, which could be a bigger win if it's successful,
and people realize the value of having data access,
control and monitoring for other things. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 9:23 AM JoAnne
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<br>
I’ve read both articles, but am still not sure which way
to vote. Any advice?<br>
<br>
JoAnne<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
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